SPEAKER_00 0:00

People think they're a 4.0 until it comes to a tournament and you have to actually play your level.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Like the sport itself is can cause you to go a little crazy with that.

SPEAKER_02 0:13

Do you think it's true? Do you agree with it? Olympics.

SPEAKER_04 0:16

Do you see people building the Olympics 12 one day?

SPEAKER_00 0:22

People as soon as you start talking about duper and the rating, people get a little scared and they don't really want to use it.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

You're slamming and you're hitting people. Like I would say, you gotta move up.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

I've never seen shots like that. He thrown me right in like the glass.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

I need to do better. Like I'm seeing all these guys like play so well and I know I can get there. So talking.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

I like to talk a little bit of smack and it comes back at me.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

Cool. Allison and Daniel from Next Rally Pickleball are here. Yeah, me. Very thanks for coming. Both of you.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04 0:54

Thanks for having us. Yeah, I appreciate it. Allison was one of the first people I met when I started playing pickleball at Pickle and Parr. Would you believe it?

SPEAKER_02 1:02

That's great. That's great.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

When I heard about this, I'm like, well, we gotta have our on. Plus, I I was excited to hear about what they're doing, next rally tournament and stuff like that, so we can hear more about their business.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

Sounds like an interesting new venture. I can't wait to hear about it. Totally. Let's get right into it.

SPEAKER_04 1:18

I agree. For each of you. How'd you each get into pickleball?

SPEAKER_01 1:22

So I actually started, um, I was working at the courts at the time, and one of my coworkers, when I ended up leaving, going to where I am now, wanted to continue our friendship. So we went into playing pickleball. And then from there, I just went all in, and now I'm an addict. So an addict, we played for some funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

It's like a cult, you know, every day. It is, it's like a little cult. It's a good cult though.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

And then for me, I played in um high school during Fizz Ed class, and then one day my sister just came home with paddles and said, Let's play. And all of a sudden I took her paddles. I kept playing and playing and playing, and with all the opportunities, all the parks and everything, I got super into it, and my competitive side of uh sports came out. So, okay, your sister got it. Your sister brought home paddles, right? Yes. Does she play? No. Now uh she has to talk, she has to listen to my brother, my dad, and I. I was just about to say, yeah, so that's why I was like, we need to find a fourth, you know, we need to find a fourth, and she's just sitting there and she's like, I can play. And we're like, Nah.

SPEAKER_04 2:22

Did you did you and Dylan, Dylan's your brother, obviously, uh played. Did you start playing together? I mean, did you first you guys get hooked to it together? Or was it a lot of people?

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Yeah, so um, I kind of started with it first. Okay. I took it, I was just going to the parks, I was going to um Terry Farrell Park is where I started. Sure, in Melville, right? Yeah. Right here, right, right, right here. Yeah, right here, right here. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I started there and then um we just took off from there, and I got my brother into it. We were both tennis players in high school. So Dylan is your twin brother, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

And then um, just since we played tennis, we just kind of picked it up pretty fast. Got it. And then how did your dad, Rudy, get into it?

SPEAKER_04 3:04

Or my dad or same time or before?

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Way after us. So my dad's a little stubborn on his ways. Um it took a lot of convincing that he should start doing open plays rather than having to text his friends trying to get four people to play. It's so much better to just sign up to something and then go play. So it took a little, he started, it took like two months to convince him to do an open play. And then after he did that, now he's a pickable addict in play. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 3:30

I mean, I could I could see that. I could see it being like, you know, because I know your dad up pretty well. Yes, yeah. So good man.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

How did the how did the two of you meet? Uh we actually met because of Dylan. Really? So Dylan was working the desk at Picklin Par, and I would go there Friday nights when he was working, and one day he said that he was gonna go hit set up a court play that his brother was coming home from school and surprising his dad, I think for like Easter or something. And that's when I met Daniel.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Yeah. So he came home from college to surprise his dad, and then we just met that way.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

Cool, cool. What's the funniest thing that ever happened to you on a pickleball court, Daniel? If you think about it, what's the funniest thing? Is it a laugh to yourself or was it just hysterical? If you could remember.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

There's definitely been some moments where we just played games and we would just have a lot of fun and laugh at different things. Uh I would just say, like, you know, like those shots that were the easy shot to put away, the point's about to be over, and you just hit it really bad. We usually get a nice kick out of it. We have a lot of recordings, so we record a lot of our matches. Yeah. Allison records them really. I didn't know that. So um we get a lot of clips out of that, and like, you know, just talking. I like to talk a little bit of smack and it comes back at me. Those are just funny moments.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

They know how to get in your head.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

Oh, yeah, big time.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

How about you? Did anything else?

SPEAKER_01 4:50

I feel for me, I mean, there's definitely a lot, but my favorite that I always find funny is like when you go to like slam a ball down, you completely miss it. And I got it at the right angle, I got this, and then you completely whiffed it, and it's like, oh great, okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

That is pretty funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

Yeah. Um, what's the one pickable habit that drives you crazy?

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Oh, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

Probably the amount of money that I have to spend on doing everything. Like it's just like every time I'm like, oh, I need a new pair of shoes, oh, the new paddle came out. Like, I need to get a new paddle. Like, I feel like the in itself, like the sport itself is can cause you to go a little crazy with that.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Yeah, as much as you play it, yeah. Yeah, that's true, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

Yeah, so I came from that tennis background where usually you need to change your strings every couple of weeks you play. So I think the same thing about my paddle. I think that my paddle goes bad after, you know, a couple months. I buy the same paddle. And right now I I have four brand new whole brooks sitting at my house. Oh, really? Need to be used. Um, I did the same thing with the Yulep, the Persis, uh Pro 4. I would just buy a ton of them and just keep switching in and out of them. And also just like the habit, I mean weights. I play with my weight a lot. I try different weight setups and on the paddle. On the paddle. And it really changed the way, you know, you put some weight on the side, the sweet spot opens up. Really? And you put some yeah, puts weight on the top, the swings, the swing spot.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

What do you put little weights on? Do you put the heads on? Oh, just lead tape. Lead tape. So you put on the sides, you can put on the handle too, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

You can put on the handle. Right now I'm using a um stick weight on the bottom. It's like a little coin, it's weighed, I think, nine ounces, something like that, or nine grams, one of those. But um, it really just changes the way you play and the you know, the touch on the ball. So I always like to play around with those things. That's why I wanted different paddles, so I could have this one set up this way, this one set up that way, and you could literally compare them perfectly in that moment compared to using them, you know, you put the weight on the sides and then you put some weight on the throat, then you don't really feel the difference if you don't have the same thing on a different paddle.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

That's very interesting. We never knew that.

SPEAKER_04 7:02

Okay, I'm gonna skip over and I'm gonna go to duper. Alright, we just talked with Andrew about duper. He was looking for some more clarification about our last episode. What's your thoughts about duper? I mean, do you do you believe it? You think it's a I mean, I'll give you an example. And he he kind of clarified a little bit, but like my duper rating, I'm in the Tuesday duper league. Alright. My duper rating is higher than Dylan's. Which makes no sense because he's a better player.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

So, like, I mean, do you believe in the system? Do you think it makes sense? I mean, what's your what's your whole thing?

SPEAKER_02 7:35

As a classification of play level, isn't it? Do you think it's true? Do you agree with it?

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Um, so first off, you're a phenomenal player. Oh really? Don't let that be a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 7:44

Yeah, don't even have to kiss my ass. Um, but I got a lot of work that I need, but thank you.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

But I think that if duper was used in every game like it should be, I think it would be more true to what people's ratings actually is. Okay. Like you said, you do a duper Tuesday days. The Tuesday night league. Yeah, Tuesday night league for duper. Yeah. Now, if every single game you've played, not just Tuesdays, but put it to Duper, it'd be a lot more accurate. Okay, as we use. And if people use that throughout every game. Now, I've only used duper a handful of times. My duper is like a 4.0 with like a very low reliability rate. Okay, so it would be like I need to start using it more and more. But people, as soon as you start talking about duper and the rating, people get a little scared and they don't really want to use it.

SPEAKER_04 8:30

I mean, I'm just saying, like, for example, and again, I'm not sure how it works, but like my duper rating is a 4.3. I I don't think I'm a true 4.3, but like technically I could participate again in a f any event that's 4.3 plus, I probably would be outplayed. But Dylan wouldn't be eligible because he's a 4.0, and he could probably do better than I can.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

Yeah. And that's why that it's just weird to me. I mean, most of the times the duper, um, sometimes they just limit it to you can't go down. So you could always go up, but you can't go down. So say mine my duper's a 4.0, then I could play a 4.5 tournament, but I can't play a 3.5 because I can't sandbag it. So you can always I I feel like you're always allowed to play up your level, but you can never play down. And usually when it comes down to tournaments, that's when people really get their reality check. Because I usually like sometimes I see people sign up for a 4.0 open play, and now they're signing up for a 3.5 tournament. It doesn't it's like people think they're a 4.0 until it comes to a tournament and you have to actually play your level.

SPEAKER_04 9:34

So I was told that when you play in a tournament, and we we'll go into the next rally in a second, but like if you're really like a 3.5, it's better to play in a 3-0 level, which I I've heard I've heard that that people sometimes they recommend you do that. Does that make any sense?

SPEAKER_01 9:49

I mean what I feel like you have to see like how you can take because obviously the pressure of tournaments is a lot too. So if you're on a 3-0-3-5 level tournament and you think you're, you know, the beginning of a 3-5, I would have no issues with you doing a 3-0-3-5. Because you're at the high end of that tournament, but you're still in that range. So I would have no issues with it. Some people do see that as sandbagging, which you know, if you're just becoming into that 3-5 level, which you're understanding most of the court, you can do drops, you can do dinks, like you're just that beginning level. I would say I would have no issues with you doing a 3-0 three-five. Okay. Yeah, but if you're more of an aggressive player and you can, you know, you're slamming and you're hitting people, like I would say, you gotta move up.

SPEAKER_04 10:28

Got it.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Yeah. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_04 10:30

So tell us about next rally pickleball. That's why you're here. Yeah, and we'll talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

Yeah, so pretty much we started a pickleball event company. So we're gonna be doing um tournaments, play with the pros, which are gonna be higher-level pros. Really?

SPEAKER_04 10:48

Yeah, I didn't know that. That's what Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

Um, we're gonna be doing leagues and we're gonna be doing just regular social events. Wow. Um, so pretty much we'll just have like the whole facility and we'll do uh what we did on our June 26th of day was we had a 4-0 plus level, then we had a 3-5-4-0 level, and then we had beginners where we had one of our ambassadors actually on the court instructing people on how to play that I've never played before.

SPEAKER_04 11:11

So I guess my question is like people signing up for 4-0, 3-5s, is there a way to verify that they're like, I mean, you could have someone that's a 3-5 be like, eh, I want to play 4-0. I I'm just curious, like, I mean, it would just is it more the honesty.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

We could always have someone look and see, like, you know, maybe you should move up or down depending on how you're playing. Uh, we're also basing it off of how you feel when you're playing. Like, if you go on and you're seeing these people play and you think you can handle it, we have no issues with you going on. Um, but you know, if something comes up, then we'll, you know, discuss with the person, like, hey, you know, maybe try the next level down or the next level up.

SPEAKER_04 11:43

Got it. So it's center the pickler at center each, which is where you you're yeah, we're based out of. So based out of. So you said something at the play with the pros. So you so are you responsible for I guess running the play with the pros there, or how does that work?

SPEAKER_01 11:56

No, so we're it's specifically with next rally, we're just using their facility to hold our events.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

Oh, you so okay, got it, got it. Okay, so we would we would hire our own pros, we would get our own pros, a lot of ambassadors already pros at different locations. Ah, okay. So, um, I mean, we would just hire them, have them on the court, and play. I mean, I'm one of the pros at the Pickler Center Each. Right. So I'd be probably one of the pros there. But we had uh a cool event at the Pickler Center Reach a couple months ago where we brought on uh Bruno Folletto, who was a very good player. He's out of Chile, and um he came in, he played with them, he did an up and down the river. It was a very fun event. Yeah. So we're just gonna carry on kind of some similar activities like that, social plays, and bring in some new pros, higher-level people, and have them the regular, you know, pickler like pickable. Ubi tires it's pickler then, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Okay, Centerage and Comac once they open.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

So are you officially kicked off now with this company? Is it a good one?

SPEAKER_04 12:58

Yeah, so our first uh social event was June 26th. So would you say potentially down the road, uh, whenever that is? Let's just say that some pickleball place opens up in Brooklyn as an example. You you know, and they don't have any pros there. They could hire you to uh do a play with the pro event and you would bring the pro, is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Uh so we're exclusively with the pro.

SPEAKER_04 13:21

Right now, I'm saying it's something in theory.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

I'm saying, you know, that would be something we could do.

SPEAKER_04 13:26

Okay, yeah, potentially. Got it. Okay, cool. Um what made you start this business?

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Um that's a great question. We were um approached by the Pickler um to see if we'd be interested in starting something like this because we are so involved, obviously, in the sport. You know, he has a name on the island, he's an instructor at Pickler, so they thought it'd be a great idea for us, like the younger crowd, to bring in younger people, so um, which we're all for because we want to grow the sport. It's right now big. We want to see in the Olympics.

SPEAKER_04 14:00

That's why we're doing this. We want to keep it, you know, again, get it, get it there. I mean, it's it's you're an addict. It's it's it's I don't know. So my wife is now taking lessons. Oh, that's awesome. And she's gone for two lessons and private lessons, and she's like very into it. We just we just bought it's officially hard. We just bought a pickleball sneakers for yesterday. Oh, good. She's gonna get a new paddle tomorrow. Or a paddle, I should say. And uh, you know, again, she she gets it, she sees what the addiction is, and we're just trying to spread the word. It's almost like I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

Yeah, I mean, even just the health benefits alone, too, of the sport, it's great for the mind and memory, hand eye coordination, just cardio in itself. Like, it's just it's such a positive thing.

SPEAKER_02 14:43

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

The adrenaline from it, and if you win games, it's a great feeling. If you lose them, you kind of think to yourself, like, what could I do better? You know, like it's just I I love it.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

It's great camaraderie, and it's just just a whole great synergy. Yeah, I love the different age groups.

SPEAKER_04 14:57

It doesn't matter if it's a few years. Yeah, it really is 20 so it ranges 60 or whatever. Yeah. I mean, uh, it's funny she mentions the memory. My I feel like my memory's actually gotten better since I put the. There you go. What's your name again? Uh I hear you.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

All right, go with the rapid fire. Yeah, want to rapid fire some questions. Uh Daniel, first, your favorite paddle. And you each can answer.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

Favorite paddle right now is the Holbrook fuse. You have four of them with different weights. Yeah. So um, it's very good technology. They have the dual foam, dual density foam, which is a little bit harder foam at the top with a softer foam towards the middle of the paddle. Okay. So that really gives you the power when you want it, the touch when you want it, and uh, you know, I feel like you just get a really good touch on the bowl. That's great. Allison? Favorite?

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Uh, I am right now using the Pro 5 Cosmos because it has a very forgiving sweet spot. So if I mess up, it forgives a lot on the paddle.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

Is that your only paddle? Do you have other brands in this?

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Um, I have tried a lot of brands, but my favorite has been this one. So right now, this is the only one in rotation in my bag.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

Excellent. Yeah. Next question. You're an early bird or a night owl?

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Early, uh, I would say an early bird. Uh, I wake up really early for school. Uh, I go in, I teach. Where do you go to school? Well, I teach, I'm subbing right now at Jericho. Very nice. So I'm a substitute physed ed teacher. That's fantastic. Yeah. So I have a lot of fun with that, but it does require me to get up pretty early. And by the time, you know, sometimes I play pickleball at night, 7 to 9 or 8 to 10. By the time I get home from that, I'm done. You're wiped out. So you're an early bird, right? Weekends for me, I could definitely be a little bit of a night owl. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I see. I tend to like sometimes go out, sometimes I go to stuff in the city where it starts at like 12. That's where the night owl comes out. I would say not like 80 to 90% of the time, I'm definitely an early bird, but I could definitely be a night owl. That's awesome. How about you, Allison?

SPEAKER_01 16:53

I'm a night owl, but when it comes to pickleball, I can be both. I will play in the morning, early in the morning, and I will play late at night.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

Wow. Yeah. That's great. That's great. Um after uh hard days' work and uh pickleball, what's your favorite post-game meal? What would you love to have after a long day of pickleball and work and all that stuff?

SPEAKER_00 17:14

So if it's a really good day, we actually have like we when we and Allison play together, we always have like somewhat around the same group. We always go to Applebee's. Oh wow. I mean chilies, chilies, Applebee's chilies. Right. Um, yeah, the three for me with the lava cake. My brother loves the lava cake. Wow. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

Putting the calories back.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

After a tournament though, I feel like it's well deserved. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

I know you're both in a lot of those. And you as well. Uh usually.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

No, my go-to is usually chicken nuggets. Like that's nice. That's the safe bet for sure.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

Any particular brand? Chick-fil-a?

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Uh I'm definitely between Chick-fil-A or Wendy's. Okay. Those are the two. Eric said in the last episode Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A. Well, it's so close to Melville, so that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Yeah, yeah. Um, great. This is fantastic. Uh next rapid fire quest a dream pickleball destination.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Um, I haven't been there yet, but I I want to play at the fort. So do I. I played there. It was awesome. I played there too. Yeah, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

Yeah, I was there. I told you the last time it was in Florida. Yeah, it's pretty good actually. So yeah, I've really played it. They have a stadium arena. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

And it's covered too. Yeah. I would really like to play there. I think it looks sick, especially the whole community. But honestly, before like the fort, I was really like when I heard about the Pickler coming to Long Island. You see the videos, they're all over the US already. I was really excited to go play there with all the different things like the sound blockers up on the roof. You have the the wing field, which shows you some challenge, like you could challenge a point on it. And if you get the add-on to it, it actually you records the game for you and gives you AI highlights on it. That's great to know. It's great to know. You have all these amenities there. Yeah. Wow. It's definitely uh, I feel like that's the if you're fully into pickable and all you want to do is play good games with a great facility, I believe that's a place for it. State of the art.

SPEAKER_04 19:12

We intend to go. Maybe that's why you change it, right? Yeah, we intend to do some content shoots there.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Yeah, no, 100%.

SPEAKER_04 19:18

It's better each comac when it opens.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Yeah, they got the black walls so that you really see the ball well. I can't believe it took a company like this to do it, but I feel like it should be done all facilities. Yeah. It seems like it's really well for what's the top.

SPEAKER_04 19:33

Yeah. Do you have a dream pickleball destination?

SPEAKER_01 19:36

Actually, I'm actually booking it soon. I'm going to London to play. That's awesome. Yeah, it just apparently it blew up recently there. So it's called Lemon Pickleball, and they have a ton of facilities around London.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

And what part of London? Is there all over? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Yeah, they're South London. They're all over London.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

London, England. Wow. Great. Because I know London's big. That's awesome. Yeah. Enjoy that. Rich. Thank you. Why don't you give them the next question? Next week. We can list two. All right. Dream celebrity pickleball partner. This think about this one. Ben Johnson. Yeah, you got hers already. Baltia, Ben Johnson?

SPEAKER_00 20:06

I I would say, yeah. Someone, someone at that pro level. I mean, I've I've really enjoyed playing playing with Bruno.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

I mean, this is the guy from Chile, right? This guy from Chile.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

So I'm Chilean as well. So it was cool seeing someone from the same background with as me. But he was just awesome to play with. And you know, you really think you're so good until you get humbled. Like, I've never seen shots like that. He drilled me right in like the glasses. Oh, really? And it's like it's awesome because I want to see those games. I want to. I always say that I hate playing when I'm this might sound a little cocky, but I hate playing when I'm the best player on the court. I like being humbled. I like being having some play out of my life. I agree, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

No, you know, that's great. How about you, Allison?

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Uh yeah, I would say Ben John's or Riley Newman, just because he holds his paddle in a very strange way. And I just like a pancake. So he'll hold it like this, like flat, and then he just attacks everything that he just punches the pole. His wrist has to hurt.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Because I feel like even when I do like a backhand flick, like you feel it like all connects. So if he's holding everything like that, it's gotta be like that. Yeah, it's gotta be interesting.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

I didn't know that. Yeah. I didn't know that. Um, Daniel, if you could play one person, living or dead, who would it be? Just one person to play with. Could be here on this earth or not.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Play pickleball with play pickleball with. Yeah, just one person.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

It could be a celebrity, a family member, it could be you know, it could be Rocket Rich.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

I mean, I mean, um, I would just, you know, think about all like the pro athletes and see how athletic they are, and I want to see how they would do when they first pick up the sport and in a different environment. So right now I would say probably Matthew Schaefer. I'm a big I like that.

SPEAKER_04 21:56

That would be my dream partner too.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

Oh totally. Oh my god, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

I could say Sorokan.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

Sorokin. Storokin. I would think Sorokan.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Same here.

SPEAKER_04 22:07

My dream person to have him on the show is Matt Schaefer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

If I can have Matt Schaefer on the show, that means we're successful. Yeah. Wow, that's interesting. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Matthew Schaefer. He's so good at hockey, but I want to see him, you know, hit a pickleball right now. Exactly. Yeah. Never know.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

One day we may have him on the show. Never know. We'll see. The blessing.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Shout out Matt Schaefer. Yeah. Shout out to Matt. Shout out to Matt.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

I was going to say either Serena Williams or Sorokin. Very good.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

Those will be my two. Yeah. Okay, cool. I'm going to do that. Sure. Sure. These are going to be great. What's something that, on a more personal note, what is something that people don't know about you, each?

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Um, I feel like something that people don't know about me is that I can be very nice. I'm very uh helpful to people. I mean, if you see me playing a tournament, playing with my friends, I mean, I can come off a little bit as like, you know, kind of like douchey or like I talk smack, but outside of the games that actually matter, I could definitely help anyone out. That's my profession. I'm a phys ed teacher, I'm always helping kids of all levels, all backgrounds, everything like that. Okay. So I'm I'm definitely very good at helping people, and just don't take me as like such an aggressive player because I can be that person at the end. You're hardly competitive, that's all.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

And sometimes, you know, it's you get into a zone. So people may read you wrong. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Allison? I'm probably the same way. Like when I'm on the court, I feel like I'm always like yelling at myself or like getting mad. Like, I don't get mad at my partners, but I'm like at myself, I'm like, oh, I could have done this better, I could have done this better. Yeah, I'm a big overthinker, so I think like off the court, like I just try to be like nice to everybody.

SPEAKER_04 23:41

Who has inspired you most?

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Um I mean to play pigball.

SPEAKER_04 23:47

Yeah, or in general.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Yeah. I mean to play pickleball, I think um inspired would be connected to uh financially. Uh my dad kind of just always helped me out when I wanted to go play at the beginning a couple years ago when I started. You know, it's pretty expensive to get a court, rent a court. It sure is. Yeah. Oh yeah. And if it weren't for him, I don't think I'd be in that same spot where I am today where I had a ton of court hours, a ton of people to play with. He definitely always like pushed me into like getting more into the sport. That's fine. He like supported me in financial. Is there anything that's inspired you at all?

SPEAKER_01 24:23

I don't I feel like for me, it's more of like my play itself, like watching the higher players like Eric and Andrew and even Daniel and Dylan, like watching them like do really well. Like it made me want to do better. And like I do weekly lessons with Eric, like I really like try to achieve like that 4-0 goal because I was stuck in such a rut for a while that I was like, I need to do better. Like, I'm seeing all these guys like play so well, and I know I can get there.

SPEAKER_04 24:48

So Yeah, Eric has been whenever I feel like I'm having a problem, I'm always seeing Eric for a lesson, and it's just he always seems that one little tweak or whatever. 100%, yeah. No, he's the best. Yeah. So what's your defin what would you say your definition of success? Do you have like any kind of like, you know, maybe potentially for your business? Whatever that type of thing.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Um I would just say just packing out, you know, whatever facility we're playing at. So if it's a Pickler, I want a ton of people to be in there. I want everyone having fun. I want people like, you know, starting to talk to each other about next rally, to sign up for because we're not only tournaments, we gotta host a ton of social events. Yeah, I didn't even know that.

SPEAKER_04 25:31

I did social events, but I didn't realize to play with the process. How are you gonna promote that, not to go off? Oh yeah, it's a good question. How are you gonna promote? Yeah, that's what we want to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

You can do social media, email blasts. We want to help you promote it.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Yeah, that's why we had you on the above on that. We're gonna be doing email blasts. We're on Facebook, Instagram. We've been using Pickleball Index to post our uh events also. He's a local Long Island guy who just pretty much created like a database that you can just input all your every facility uses it, and they all post their flyers of what events are going on. Um, and then Pickler is also um helping us with that too. They when they do their newsletters, we'll be in their newsletters. And so it's really just also word to mouth is big. So like our ambassadors are big on that. Like we have them pretty much from Queens all the way out to Suffolk County. We have a range of men and you know, men and women just really talking positively about the brand.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Um, one of the things that I, you know, want to achieve though with this is really just creating more friendships. Like when people get on the court, like you really get in your own head when you're in a tournament. But I at the end of the game, like, I want everyone to come together and realize like we're all great players, we can all outside of here do an open play or rent a court and get games going. I think you know, it's such a positive aspect of why we want to do next rally.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

Yeah, that's great. We love the idea of this next rally. Yeah, I just a question that we missed. What motivates you both every day? Maybe Dan, you start like what really motivates you?

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Um motivates me in the pickable sense is just getting better, um, hitting better shots, beating people that I tend to not beat. Um, you know, just pushing yourself to like the next level. Uh it's definitely like my motivation. I always say that like there's no there's no point at time where I'm gonna be happy with the way I'm playing. I just always want to get better and better. And then, you know, from the everyday without pickleball, it's just uh I like to like teach different things to different people. I like to inspire the youth. I'm actually trying to start like a pickleball club within the Jericho School District. Oh, that's great. Well, that's fabulous.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

That's great.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

So um, you know, just helping people get better, people be happier, and you know, just drive people to do more with their physical abilities, you know. I love seeing like, you know, those not so in shape players getting onto the court, and you know, the first couple of times they play, they're not doing great, they're not moving well, but I like seeing them going and going and going, and you could tell it they're they're finding some passion for this sport, which is also gonna help them, you know, live longer. Right, yeah, it could expand your life, help you lose some weight, get in shape, and you know you like seeing the growth. Yeah, without that sport, they wouldn't have that um that foundation to grow make a better life for themselves, healthier mentally, yeah and then the social aspect of people, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

How about you, uh Alison? Um what what really motivates you every day?

SPEAKER_01 28:24

For pickleball, I would say the same thing. I think it's really just like the community of it. Like I love walking into Picklin Par and like seeing the familiar faces of being like, hey, how's your week been or whatever? It's like just I'm big on like socializing, so I love like creating new friendships and just being kind to everyone. So I feel like going in there and like people say, like, hey Allison, you know, like it's it's like a positive thing, which really motivates me.

SPEAKER_04 28:46

That's great. Yeah, that's great. Olympics. You do you see pickleball being an Olympic sport one day? You mentioned that before.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

I want it to be. I think it has the potential to be.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

I think so too.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Just because it's international, like one of our you know, Sophia, her boyfriend is a pro player, he is Filipino and he's representing the Filipino team in really. Everybody's really good. What's his name? Yeah, his name is David. He is like a 5'4 player, I believe. But he's number two in the Philippines.

SPEAKER_04 29:13

So number two in the Philippines. Yeah, so he's representing the Philippines when they go to Vietnam. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

It's you know, I think it has the potential to get there. There's enough people on the, you know, in the world that are playing it that it could definitely grow and become an Olympic sport. All right, cool.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

Before the Olympics, I would say just getting it into like the high schools, you know, people I I feel like there should be a pickable team in every high school, and I personally like it to be MLP format. So you mix in the boys and the girls, and they're all combined into one team. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

So that's what MLP I was gonna ask you, yes, MLP.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

What exactly is that is that as far as so that format is um two it's a team of four. So it's two girls, two guys. Okay. So you play um two the girls play, so the girls play the girls, the boys play the boys, then it goes into mix. So then one mix team gets sent out, so it's four games in total. So you got the girls versus girls, boys versus girls. I mean boys versus boys, and then two mixed games. Got it. So if you split those two games and you go two-two, it goes into a dream breaker, which is singles.

SPEAKER_04 30:20

Okay, oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

And it's just such a team sport at that point. Because you're you're you have your teammates on the sideline cheering you on.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Well, I have a question on next rally. Where would you both, you can both answer this, like to see what's your plans for expansion? Where do you see yourself expanding? A year, two years, five years? What's your I'm sure you talked about what's your vision? Yeah, we we'd like to help you with that, and we like to hear what it is.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

My vision is kind of separating ourselves from you know the tournament company. Yes, we're gonna host tournaments, but I want to do cool, fun social plays where it feels kind of like as if you're doing like a party. So I kind of have a um like an Oktoberfest one thought out for myself. I want to do like teaming up with like local breweries and trying to bring them into different places as well, supporting other local businesses. Wow, it's good. Yeah, so like kind of just turning everything into like you know a fun like a lifestyle sort of event, not just a pickleball event.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

Yeah, you agree, Allison? That's your vision as well as it's like.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Yeah, that and I'm also big on the tournaments too, just because um we actually we have the upcoming ones we have right now. Um we have a social event on September 11th for the 25th anniversary. So we're uh going with um Tuesday's Promise, and we're gonna be donating some proceeds to them and they support uh local charity in there. Yeah, a lot of charities.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

Um they try and be at that event. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, no, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

It's gonna be from 7 to 10 on 9-11 um PM. Not in the morning because that would be a little too early. But Tuesday's Promise pretty much just um you know, is a charity fundraiser that you know gives money to families of victims of 9-11 from when they passed away on the day of or even down the road, um, and also military families. Uh, one of the other tournaments we'll be holding is November 21st for pancreatic cancer with Project Purple.

SPEAKER_04 32:12

We'll be there. We'll be there for the year. My mother-in law passed away at pancreatic cancer.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

So, yeah, my it's gonna be uh November 21st. November 21st. I'm sorry. No, that's okay. So it's gonna be that's gonna be a tournament with Project Purple. My uncle, it's gonna be an honor of my uncle. He was in FDNY when 9-11 happened. Okay, and he passed away in October from pancreatic cancer. So wow. This one's like really close to the heart. Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so thank you.

SPEAKER_04 32:35

My mother-in-law passed away on my birthday of panicratic cancer. So we all know somebody from that terrible disease. So one of the worst cancers.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

It really, it's unfortunately, I hate to say it, but it's a death sentence. Like it's as soon as they find out, it's really quick. It's really hard, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

It's really hard, yeah. Uh let me just ask one question. There are a lot of other people doing what you're doing with this next rally pickball. Do you feel there's other organizations, or do you feel you are trying to corner the marketplace?

SPEAKER_00 33:01

So I know a lot of organizations that are already doing it, but like I said, I want to be set apart from those just basic tournament companies. I want to be something different. You know, I want to host some tournaments, but I also want to do stuff that's also different from a tournament. Because you know, every place is hosting their own tournament, every company has their own little tournament. So it's a lot of there's a lot of tournaments going on right now, but there's not too many, you know, big gatherings of different social plays, play with the pros and other events like that where you know you're also bringing everyone together. It could be for a good cause, like to Tuesday's promise. But you're bringing everyone together for a good cause, and you don't have that competitive aspect in it, which people sometimes like and dislike. Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

And you're making everybody feel comfortable and you're segregating yourself to that variety of different uh opportunities, yeah, which a lot of people are just doing strictly tournaments. Understood.

SPEAKER_04 33:54

Yeah, yeah. No, exactly. Great. So um I think when we should get their information, where can we find you guys? Like um Instagram, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 34:02

Yeah, so we're on Instagram and it's next rally pickleball. And same thing with Facebook, it's next rally pickleball. All right, cool.

SPEAKER_04 34:08

Yeah, great. Last question. Um, I think this is gonna be our like question for everybody. Yeah. If they can answer it, zone three's come a little close. Yeah. Tell us one thing you've never admitted on a pickleball court. To yourself. To yourself, like you and yeah, to yourself, like you know, can you you seem to have an answer for everything, so yeah, no, but Allison's gonna think about it. Allison think about it. So admitted to myself. Um like you failed, maybe you failed your team, you failed your partner on a point. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Just I mean what you um, you know, when especially playing mixed, I feel like sometimes I can be overstepping onto like the girls' side. So yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

I'll play well, you chauvinist.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

At that moment, I'll be like, no, like you just gotta let me play aggressive. Like you play your side, but I'm gonna be coming over. But I can admit I can be a little bit too aggressive at some moments, but at that time it could definitely mess up my partner. Yeah, you know, like they're expecting that shot coming in. I'm just swooping in and taking the show. Poaching.

SPEAKER_02 35:14

I just want to make sure I got the time right.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

I'll poach over, you know, take their chip.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Take the whole court.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

And take, yeah, I take a lot of.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Uh mine, uh, this is gonna be bad. Probably when my partner uh uh kitchen line.

SPEAKER_04 35:27

The kitchen line.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

I'll just be like, ooh. I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Oh yeah. The foot's in the kitchen, but you're like, you know what?

SPEAKER_01 35:35

They killed the point.

SPEAKER_04 35:36

We just had a big thing with Andrew about that. He said he's been watching me play a lot. He said my foot's been in the kitchen a lot. I gotta I gotta work better on that.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

Sometimes you don't realize. Like you think you're good, and then you look down and you're like, oh shoot. Maybe not.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

Yeah, but it's the replay at the Pickler.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

And uh Yeah, so that might be a little bit of an issue.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

The camera is literally like right where the net is. Yeah, kitchen line's the best line you can see. Yeah, yeah. You'll see if someone's in there. So that's it's definitely cool. You could save the points on there as well, which is a really cool thing. But also could cause issues. Yeah. Cool. It's it's a lot of fun when you know you don't have to set up your own little rig and you know watch your own video, but this AI kind of just does it for you. Does it for you?

SPEAKER_04 36:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Got it, got it.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

Cool. Well, listen, thanks for being on the show. Thank you for having us. Good luck, good luck. And I mean, I'm I'm excited. I mean, I'm already thinking like November 21st. I I definitely have some. Yeah, we got some dates.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

We'll be we're gonna be closing them soon.

SPEAKER_04 36:32

I'm definitely excited.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

Rock the Rich and Pistol Pete are gonna support you every step of the way. Thank you. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

Thanks, we appreciate it.